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A larp story question

I have a large number of Larpers on my friends list.   Quite a few of you are currently or have in the past run games so this question is mainly directed to you lot.  Have you run any openly gay NPC's  or homosexual romantic plot lines at a larp?  I don't know that it has ever been done.  This is not to say that it hasn't merely I did not pick up on it whne it was there. 

If you have not run one, why?  Is it because it never occured to you?  Was it an idea that came up and you put it aside as something that might make some players uncomfortable?  Was it a situation of not having the human resources needed to pull off the plotline? 

This question occured to me last night.  We see all sort of romantic story lines in the larps running.  Secret romances, marriages of politics, Fair Folk who charm characters to take them away, and at least one particularly creepy story at SI of a roman style family who bordered on incest.  Romances are a staple of the fantasy genre.  I myself have only played one character which I would say was probably openly Bi.  Those who met him could guess which one.   Any way, the question occured to me as to what in particular prevented there from gay romance storylines?  I thought this might be a good venue to get some discussion. I am not suggesting everyone should run out and run such a story, just interested to see why it had not been done.

oh I leave open thepossability that it might have been run only in secret.  I would be interested to hear the story if it had.  

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speaks
May. 3rd, 2009 01:20 pm (UTC)
To my knowledge in SI II the only openly gay characters were in a committed relationship already.

I will say that as a player I have been aware of or involved in homosexual storylines.
speaks
May. 3rd, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure I could count on one hand the number of openly gay or bisexual characters in a LARP. ... Well, maybe ONE hand but probably not two.

Now that I think about it, I know some KG characters who were also openly gay and in a committed relationship.

So the issue may just be lack of interest.
technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
There were openly gay NPC's? I was certain there were some PC's. I hazd not come across any NPC's that it was clear that was the case.

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technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 01:58 pm (UTC)
That is pretty cool actually. playing with the forbidden side of it would make a certain kind of story compelling in a different way.

filamena
May. 3rd, 2009 01:49 pm (UTC)
Since we regularly larp Vampire, the lines mean less, but I know I've used gay NPCs. It just wasn't that big a deal since most people assume the Ann Rice 'all vampires are a little homosexual anyway,' theory. I've never treated it as anything different then a straight romantic story line.
technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah Larp vampire has always been a little bit more mature in that fashion than boffer larps. I once did a world of darkness scene about confronting a woman with the sexual abuse of her childhood. World of Darkness has the advantage of being essentially in this world though. Boffer larps which are generally worlds created whole cloth have often left off some of the corner cases. Sometimes for comfort level. I am wondering if homosexual relationships was one of those things left off for comfort or just never occured to anyone or maybe because it not all that common in the genre we are emulating.
(Anonymous)
May. 3rd, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
When I wrote for SI it was generally assumed that bisexuality and homosexuality were fairly accepted in Voldinar, with the possible exception that people of a certain station were expected to marry the opposite sex at least as a political marriage to produce heirs. Such marriages were often accompanied by side-arrangements, as long as one was discreet.

Julius Adamidis (Aemelia's rival for leadership of the Voca) had a son who was openly gay. I don't believe it was ever made clear whether he was single, but he often flirted with people and his reputation as a decadent hedonist caused a lot of people to underestimate him (he was actually pretty smart and had a decent amount of political influence for someone so young). Toward the end of the campaign, traumatic events caused him to become a lot more serious, but they certainly didn't change his sexual orientation.

In the Forest of Doors game, there is a race called the Apsara who (if I understand it correctly) are fairly indifferent to sexual preference. Some of them have a strong preference for one gender over the other, but the attitude is similar to saying I strongly prefer pie over cake. It's a non-issue.

I also know there's a plot running at FOD where at least one NPC from a culture that condemns homosexuality is questioning that rule from a philosophical perspective, but I don't think it's something many people have heard about.

Romance plots in general are not for everyone. Some people just want to play an intellectual story. Others just want to hit things. :)
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May. 3rd, 2009 03:05 pm (UTC)
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wulfmadchen
May. 3rd, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
I've played at least one openly gay PC and a number of NPCs who were strongly hinted to be in lesbian relationships at NERO. They don't get nearly as much time as het relationships in play, but they do occur.
technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 03:39 pm (UTC)
Nero in particular I knew of at least one gay PC. It is good to know there were some NPC's as well. When you were playing them, did you decide that as back story to give them some depth or was it a story element related to what was going on?
solfox
May. 3rd, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC)
I've both run plots with and seen gay NPCs at games, as well as having seen many gay PCs, but never had the opportunity to run one--although I had a couple character concepts I really wanted to play.

One of my fav scenes included a pair of flamingly gay and "on the prowl" mortals who were told there would be a fantastic party at the gathering by a devilishly handsome man named Sabbadi. With as many people who were so heavily invested in dominate and presence at the game, it still didn't occur to them just to tell them to "go away". It was completely cliche and over-the-top, but was great fun to play, and the players didn't know how to deal with it--

player > "Auspex challenge: what are you thinking right now?"
Me/npc > "You... covered in oil"
player > *huge blush/fluster*
technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 06:55 pm (UTC)
Cool. Yeah when I made this post I wasn't thinking of world of darkness which has a more modern set of rules to it than being steeped in medieval tropes.
puzzleoflight
May. 3rd, 2009 05:57 pm (UTC)
We are currently running two romantic storylines at Forest of Doors that involve gay NPCs. One of the NPCs is openly gay, while the other is much more quiet about it. Also, there is at least one openly bi NPC who is also in-play frequently, though there is no romantic storyline attached to that one (we considered creating a love triangle between him, one of the gay NPCs and a PC, but decided not to do so).

As Tara previously mentioned, one of our PC races is sexually ambiguous and open to both same-sex and opposite sex relationships.
technoir
May. 3rd, 2009 06:53 pm (UTC)
Interesting to know. Like I said, till today I was unaware of that being a thing at forest of doors. Kudos for the progressive outlook there.
rltrlarper
May. 5th, 2009 10:36 am (UTC)
Portals
At Portals, I don't think we have any bi or gay NPC story lines. Why? Never thought of it. Hmmm food for thought.

However Robert is as gay as they come. No pun. Also Beacon had a very "gay experience" Experimening with the enrapture brew, an NPC (oog very straight) practially gave Beacon a lap dance.

roguebaby
May. 7th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
At SGA I started an NPC on the boards called Trader Jane. "She" was asking who needed what and started flirting with on of our PC's. They even sort of made a plan for a 'date'
When we got to the event, I was just planning on taking her out. But then a fella who was NPCing for us asked if he could play something really fun, so I made Trader Jane a dwarf. S/he had a beard and was very flirty.

The PC's spent months trying to figure out if it was a guy or a chick. And the PC s/he had a thing for was highly amused.
Ended up being on of the most memorable characters for PCs and staff alike... I didn't plan it that way, but it ended up being awesome. :D
firekast
May. 11th, 2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
There was a couple down in Nero Florida who played dark elf brothers. Not just gay, but incestuous as well. Were quite open about it. Most of the playerbase seemed quite accepting of it, at least OOG.
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