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The rare political post

Okay i promise to not be a political blogger generally. I have my pet peves as much as the next guy but I learned a while back that most people don’t like to be preached too or argued with. However one thing I do take issue with are people who through deliberate ignorance or outright fraud try and rewrite history to match the conspiracy theory. Now I love a good conspiracy theory. They are great fun. The key though is to take all the known factual evidence and make it fit the conspiracy. It is not okay to go out and shared made up stuff and try and convince people it is the truth.

The Apollo moon landing debunkers in this offend me on some level. They are just completely ignoring all sorts of proof to convince people that we never made it to the moon. The two great human endeavors of the 20th was the major strides made to eliminate some pretty heinous diseases and the moon landing. They are insulting the thousands of men and women of the space program every time they pull that crap and it bothers me.

There are worst offenders of course.

the ones annoying me lately are the “Obama was not born in America” people. These guys would have you believe he was not born in the states. Recently they trotted out a fake birth certificate in Kenya. How can you tell it is fake? Well the folks at this site sum it up pretty well.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/2/761144/-Debunking-the-unbearably-stupid

First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.

Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Fourth, Obama’s father’s village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

Fifth, the number 47O44– 47 is Obama’s age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44–he is the 44th president.

Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.

Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say “Christian name” (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

Eigth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

Ninth, it was called the “Central Nyanza District,” not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

meanwhile if you would like to see some of the actual account of what happened when people went looking for President Obama’s birth certificate go here.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

In the end it is a matter of which material evidence you will believe. The one with the least problems is pretty clearly the one in Hawaii but hey if your a doubt everything involved there then I can accept it on a skepticism level. Some people believe we are actually in a vast computer simulation after all. But to doubt that and accept the supposed Kenyan document then I got to say your just being willfully ignorant or just lying to make your ideas work.

Can we now move past this? This particular non issue is so annoying to me. Can you people just, I don’t know, argue the freaking ideas instead of making up crap to try and discredit the president? I mean seriously is the philosophy on the far right so bankrupt that it can’t be argued on it’s own merits? That is what this little non controversy tells me. You are done trying to convince people your right and are just going to raise up some xenophobic lying BS to escape having to face the actual scrutiny involved in debate.

Political rant off. By all means though, discuss.

Originally published at McCoy's Geeky Emporium of Thought. You can comment here or there.

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tomdpimp
Aug. 3rd, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately this will not end as right wing conspiracy nuts (who likely are racist as well) will never let this go. The ultra-conservatives are furious that they lost both Congress and the Presidency and now will not be able to stack the Supreme Court with conservative justices.
howlwhite
Aug. 4th, 2009 05:14 am (UTC)
I would like to correct Tom. It's conspiracy nuts. Conservative has little to do with believing something so inane.
I consider myself a fiscal conservative and social liberal, but I find this silly.

I would put #1 If he wasn't born in the US AND any credible person believed it was provable, don't you think someone would have pushed it on the courts after 7 months in office? Seriously.

I don't like the guy and I don't buy this crap. *shrug* Course I don't like any of the current Senate, House or Executive branch, that's another story.
technoir
Aug. 4th, 2009 09:45 am (UTC)
Interesting thing is that this little bit of bull was brought up during the election originally by Clinton supporters. it got dropped pretty quick though by them.

Lately it has been a cause used by some on the far right. Fox News loves trotting it out. I know for a fact most of my conservative friends are perfectly reasonable and articulate in saying why they are conservative. They are certainly not the sort of person who needs this sort of thing.
wulfmadchen
Aug. 4th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
Seconded. One could make any number of perfectly legitimate criticisms of the president's policy decisions without resorting to asinine crap like making stuff up about his personal background.
gr8tmazinkaiser
Aug. 4th, 2009 11:34 am (UTC)
I couldn't care less if he WAS from Kenya, it's like saying I'm from Ohio after having spent 2/3rds of my life in Tennessee.
technoir
Aug. 4th, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)
The argument is if he was born in Kenya he can't legally be president. If it were true, it would be important. Too bad for the people interested in this that it is not true.
carnivorax
Aug. 4th, 2009 02:01 pm (UTC)
Sadly...
The longer I watch it uncoil the more it smells like
"thinly veiled racism". I wish I was wrong on this
but I don't think so.
technoir
Aug. 4th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Sadly...
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but you may be right in some cases.
jellibean
Aug. 4th, 2009 07:07 pm (UTC)
First: The birther nonsense is ridiculous, and there are plenty of conservative bloggers/media people who have said so. This was something that hit the Internet months ago, and I was honestly surprised to see it on TV when the issue had, I assumed, been mostly suppressed.

Second: The birther nonsense wouldn't have gained mainstream attention if Lou Dobbs (on CNN) hadn't brought it up. But it's interesting that so many news outlets have picked up the issue and run with it, especially since healthcare reform isn't going the way the President wants it to. (Also, healthcare is hard to explain/understand in 10 minutes, and presidential scandals are GREAT for ratings. *eyeroll*)

There are always going to be conspiracy theorists. Paying attention to them and giving them a national stage to spew their drivel isn't going to make them go away. They'll always be there, just like the Moon Landing idiots, but people just need to ignore them and focus on the substantive issues.

Edited at 2009-08-04 07:26 pm (UTC)
technoir
Aug. 4th, 2009 09:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah lou dobs gets made fun of for his nonsense. My favorite bit was where someone filling in for him on his show debunked and he came back the next day and brought it up again. Fox News is not the only source of idiots out there to be sure. CNN has plenty as well.
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