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okay the controversy

So I was reading an LJ today and the subject of "White Privilege" Came up. This is the notion that by the mere dent of being white, a persons life will have an inherent benefit or easing of problems or standards. This was used as an argument for why someone was being clueless talking about a subject related to race. The idea is if you are white your opinion on race is suspect because you benefit of the so called White Privilege.

Now I believe that 50 years ago there was a strong argument for White Privilege. It was clearly present Culturally and in the laws of the time sadly. I believe in the last 20 years though you are hard pressed to come up with real evidence for it. You can find evidence of some things which are sad. The statistics of minority students who get higher education or doctorates are distressing. However the evidence these days could easily be read on the aspect of financial status more than race. With a very few exceptions the evidence just is not conclusive.

I personally don't believe in it. It just isn't there any more. That is not to say there are not some individual racists out there. There are of course plenty of them out there. I am saying there is no inherent cultural, religious, or legal benefits to being born white. I certainly have never benefited from it. There is no one in my long and winding experience that I can point to and say they benefited from it more than being born in to an upper middle class home. The arguments so far presented fail to show privilege in an indisputable way. What is more I feel using that as a justification to discount someone is lazy and disingenuous. Rather than explain why you think someone is wrong on something you point to them and say well they are white. Not only does it not address why they are wrong, but it really is kind of racist. it renders any argument might offer there after weaker as a result.

This discussion went on someones lj and they very politely indulged the discussion till they were done and then asked it be moved elsewhere. So I am posting my thoughts here to any who felt compelled to continue the discussion.

keep it civil.


May. 20th, 2009 12:08 am (UTC)
While there is some truth in your statement, there is less accuracy than you may believe. Rap and the music that came before it back into Blues and Gospel is a result of the conditions the music was created in.

There is an indication you also buy into certain racial stereotypes in your response. You hav indicated the problem is blacks don't pursue those things and instead invest more than other races in the theft, dealing drugs and the like. This is not actually shown to be the case, though there is certainly a higher conviction rate and higher sentensing. This due to the fact that if your from an inner city generally you are poor. If you are poor you cant afford private lawyers and other tools in your defense.

Your contention that Whites are on top is also erroneous. You concede the Asians of course dominate in finance for instance. Your contention we developed advanced civilizations, gun powder and electricity. The Chinese developed gunpowder and we got it from the Islamic cultures. Electricity existed in well before modern man. The bagdad battery is offered as proof. Certainly some western scientists refined our knowledge of it but many African Americans contributed to many of those discoveries. Advanced Civilizations? When europe was still shitting itself into oblivion the muslim was the home learning. When the Moors were driven out of spain we looted their libraries and found knowledge almost a 1000 years lost to us. The largest empires in history were not white but Asian and later Muslim.

Your contribution is appreciated but is completely baseless actually. A cultural acceptance of conditions may be accurate but the rest is actually nonsense.



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