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okay the controversy

So I was reading an LJ today and the subject of "White Privilege" Came up. This is the notion that by the mere dent of being white, a persons life will have an inherent benefit or easing of problems or standards. This was used as an argument for why someone was being clueless talking about a subject related to race. The idea is if you are white your opinion on race is suspect because you benefit of the so called White Privilege.

Now I believe that 50 years ago there was a strong argument for White Privilege. It was clearly present Culturally and in the laws of the time sadly. I believe in the last 20 years though you are hard pressed to come up with real evidence for it. You can find evidence of some things which are sad. The statistics of minority students who get higher education or doctorates are distressing. However the evidence these days could easily be read on the aspect of financial status more than race. With a very few exceptions the evidence just is not conclusive.

I personally don't believe in it. It just isn't there any more. That is not to say there are not some individual racists out there. There are of course plenty of them out there. I am saying there is no inherent cultural, religious, or legal benefits to being born white. I certainly have never benefited from it. There is no one in my long and winding experience that I can point to and say they benefited from it more than being born in to an upper middle class home. The arguments so far presented fail to show privilege in an indisputable way. What is more I feel using that as a justification to discount someone is lazy and disingenuous. Rather than explain why you think someone is wrong on something you point to them and say well they are white. Not only does it not address why they are wrong, but it really is kind of racist. it renders any argument might offer there after weaker as a result.

This discussion went on someones lj and they very politely indulged the discussion till they were done and then asked it be moved elsewhere. So I am posting my thoughts here to any who felt compelled to continue the discussion.

keep it civil.

Comments

howlwhite
May. 20th, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
If one looks here: http://www.censusscope.org/us/m3480/chart_race.html

One should expect that 80% of jobs should go to white people.

solfox
May. 20th, 2009 06:12 am (UTC)
Eight(ish) white people and two(ish) predominately black people working in a company speaks of racial equality, yet, individual positions going to the white person 80% of the time between TWO equally qualified candidates does not say the same.

I'm assuming you can perceive the difference, yes?
howlwhite
May. 20th, 2009 09:22 am (UTC)
xtatistically speaking the jobs should go to the white people roughly 80% of the time, regardless of the # in order to satisfy situations where in more minority dense areas minorities get the jobs.
solfox
May. 20th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
I see that you don't see the difference.
howlwhite
May. 21st, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
Sure I do. When I applied to the Local Police department and Sheriff's department here I was told that the waiting list for White men was about 5 years long. She even had the audacity to tell me I should get a darker tan or have an operation if I wanted a job sooner than that.

Sadly, being a military policeman with an exemplary record ( I will not bore you with the awards I received during my career of 5 years) got me less points than being born a minority.

White privilege is not for me. What happened to me was both sexist and racist. I was not judged by my qualifications nor my experience, but completely on my sex and race.
solfox
May. 21st, 2009 12:19 am (UTC)
Then take your case to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, because hiring quotas were abolished by the Fed.
howlwhite
May. 21st, 2009 12:56 am (UTC)
Was that prior to 97 when I was looking?
solfox
May. 21st, 2009 12:57 am (UTC)
So, you're debate point is something that isn't even legal, anymore?
howlwhite
May. 21st, 2009 01:00 am (UTC)
Slavery isn't legal anymore and it is a debate point for why whites are in a better position than blacks. Why can't that go the other way?
solfox
May. 21st, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
Both are bullshit debate points.
howlwhite
May. 21st, 2009 01:29 am (UTC)
I like how you think.
technoir
May. 21st, 2009 12:42 am (UTC)
Um herb that is illegal. They cant legally do that and you can go to the EEOC about it. Whats more people have sued and one on that point as well. If you feel strongly on it then pursue it.
howlwhite
May. 21st, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
It is very too late to do so, it's been 12 years since I got out of the Army and frankly getting into Real Estate is a better life for me and my family.

It really rubbed me wrong when it happened and I still sting over it.

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